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  • Sooo....

    Veronica Roth has confirmed that Christina and Tobias get together 4 years after the epilouge.... Christina and Tobias, sittin' in a tree! K I S S I N G!

    On a more serious note, 4 years after epilouge would mean that Tobias would be 22 and Christina would be 20. They stay single for that long? I find that it would be much happier if Tobias died and married Tris in heaven and did all that stuff... Created a family. But I think it's good that Tobias eventually moved on.. But I think it would've been even better if Tris died while pregnant... Have a baby in heaven!!!! :D Random stuff. Tell me what you think about Christina and Tobias getting together. #TOBINA

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    • o mean i agree with u considering how many times they "did it"

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    • Where did she confirm that? No no no no I disagree with this completely! I want Tobias and Tris to be in heaven together nOT with Christina

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    • Death while pregnant?

      THAT'S HORRIBLE

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    • I do not ship TOBINA !! no way !! I really did imagine him and tris meeting in heaven and  getting married . Christina should stay a friend . Even though death whil pregnant sounds horrible i still like the idea . Maybe because it just is so dramatic.

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    • Can I see a source for this?

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    • whoa no, that cannot happen.

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    • they shouldn't get together, I can only imagine him with Tris

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    • Agreed! That is sooooooooooo wrong! Tris and Will should have never died. Then Christina wouldn't have started liking Four!

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    • TOBINA ?! Never !!! Tobias should be with Tris and Christina should be with Will !!!

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    • Omg! I was wondering what would happen with them two. I was like what if Tobias and Christina got together. But I don't know about those two together either.

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    • I don't think it would work out as good as Tris and Four.

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    • No, no no, pals, this just nawt right.

      Tobias x Tris FOURever

      Christina x Uriah would've been cute, altho ChristinaxWill was cuter.

      Wouldn't it be epic if there was a a collection of short stories from CHRISTINA'S view, and she can tell about her and Will and how she felt after his death, and how she felt when she found Tris killed him, and through forgiviness, and everything happening in the war and how she felt about Uriah and such?

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    • I don't like it...at all.

      I think we can all agree that Tris and Tobias are a WAY better couple.Imagining Christina with Tobias is just...WEIRD.But the way Tris and Tobias fell in love is more deep,more sweet,and more....everything! And it's also really heartbreaking to know that Tris dies at the end,but through everything,you just KNOW that Tobias will still always love her.

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    • Well ... I think Christina is better than Cara so I don't dislike the idea. And Tobias is 18 years old, men. And I don't believe in heaven so...

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    • If it's true... I think it's good enough. As you said, four years after the epilogue they're 24 and 20 - are they supposed to be grieving for Will and Tris until they're 80 years old? Sure they always miss them, but you can't spend the rest of your live just grieving.

      And I like the idea of them together. It's impossible to have them to be with Tris or Will, so I think they're a great alternative.

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    • Yeah buttttttttttttttt

      it had to be THEM together? Just doesn't exactly seem to fit...doesn't give the reader that same vibe...its just like "Wat dey in luv oh gosh wow"

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    • In my opinion Tobias and Christina they are like milk and cucumber. We know what the connection goes xD

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    • Heck you would kind of expect Cara and Tobias to be together if that! (Altho TrisxTobias should have remained ._.)

      Wouldn't you rather it like Tris/Tobias BREAK UP or get SEPERATED for life instead of actually KILLING HER OFF?

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    • Olik008 wrote:
      In my opinion Tobias and Christina they are like milk and cucumber. We know what the connection goes xD

      Milk & Cucumber!?!? That's just wrong! I smell people vomiting....

      This is jojo using another computer, and, corrections: I finished Allegiant after I made this post, so I hadn't read the epilogue. It should say that Christina is 22 and Tobias is 24, as this was 4yrs after the epilogue, and the epilogue was (Sponge Bob Narrator Voice) Two Years Later.

      Also, spelling: Epilouge should read epilogue SEVERAL times.

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    • PuppyGirl1244 wrote:
      Death while pregnant?

      THAT'S HORRIBLE

      Puppy, this one's for you:

      YOUNG PEOPLE FLYING WITHOUT EVER DYING! Family in heaven... Or if Christina died and had a family with Will... That'd be an AWESOME backstory!!!!

      Also, dying whilst impregnanted sometimes means the babeh DON'T die.

      Luv jojo

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    • PuppyGirl1244 wrote:
      Heck you would kind of expect Cara and Tobias to be together if that! (Altho TrisxTobias should have remained ._.)

      Wouldn't you rather it like Tris/Tobias BREAK UP or get SEPERATED for life instead of actually KILLING HER OFF?

      Cara and Tobias? When was that mentioned? LUV JOJO

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    • 74.134.29.72 wrote:
      Can I see a source for this?

      SOURCE: look on the Christina page, scroll down to the Trivia section, 3rd point.

      LUV FROM JOJO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • What the heck is JOJO

      o-o

      You talkin bout MoJoJoJo...if so head to the PPG wiki right away XD

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    • PuppyGirl1244 wrote:
      What the heck is JOJO

      o-o

      You talkin bout MoJoJoJo...if so head to the PPG wiki right away XD

      Jojo is ME. The 1st 4 letters of my username, DUH.

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    • Jojowerid wrote:
      PuppyGirl1244 wrote:
      What the heck is JOJO

      o-o

      You talkin bout MoJoJoJo...if so head to the PPG wiki right away XD

      Jojo is ME. The 1st 4 letters of my username, DUH.


      ik dat NOAW :P

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    • PuppyGirl1244 wrote:
      Jojowerid wrote:
      PuppyGirl1244 wrote:
      What the heck is JOJO

      o-o

      You talkin bout MoJoJoJo...if so head to the PPG wiki right away XD

      Jojo is ME. The 1st 4 letters of my username, DUH.

      ik dat NOAW :P

      Yeah, but it makes sense to everyone else when I say LUV JOJO!!!!!!!!

      I'm using an android tablet to respond to this

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    • No no no just no. Tobias and christina cannot get together. HE'S IN LOVE WITH TRIS! I think it's terrible tris dies. It shouldn't end like that but Tobias and Christina is whacked up. Y would they get together that's just no I don't think either tris or will would want that. Both of them would want Tobias and Christina to be happy but I just don't think they would get along as a couple. Christina has an attitude and Tobias defiantly doesn't appreciate people like that. No way they could be together they wouldn't get along it would go south quickly!

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    • Omg I can't believe a thread I posted has become popular. :D! SUU HAPPY! #TOBINA

      I dun't want Tobina to happen though....

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    • OMG TRIS DIES IM ONLY ON BOOK TWO! THIS IS HUGE! I'M SUPRISED TOBIAS DIDN'T KILL HIMSELF IF HE LOST TRIS! OMG I CAN'T BELIVE IT!

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    • 94.5.64.163 wrote:
      OMG TRIS DIES IM ONLY ON BOOK TWO! THIS IS HUGE! I'M SUPRISED TOBIAS DIDN'T KILL HIMSELF IF HE LOST TRIS! OMG I CAN'T BELIVE IT!


      Oh yeahhh

      Someone probably should've put a Spoiler alert.

      Forget everything you saw here. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverythinggggggggggggggg

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    • 67.237.42.133 wrote:
      No no no just no. Tobias and christina cannot get together. HE'S IN LOVE WITH TRIS! I think it's terrible tris dies. It shouldn't end like that but Tobias and Christina is whacked up. Y would they get together that's just no I don't think either tris or will would want that. Both of them would want Tobias and Christina to be happy but I just don't think they would get along as a couple. Christina has an attitude and Tobias defiantly doesn't appreciate people like that. No way they could be together they wouldn't get along it would go south quickly!

      Bottom line.


      Christina and Tobias makes.............. *drumroll*

      Absolutely NO sense whatsoever! :D


      Someone write a fanfic fast where they get together then break up then Tobias dies or something or he transports to the real world and marries me although I might be way too young for him.

      I want 30% credits.

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    • Jojowerid wrote:
      Sooo....

      Veronica Roth has confirmed that Christina and Tobias get together 4 years after the epilouge.... Christina and Tobias, sittin' in a tree! K I S S I N G!

      On a more serious note, 4 years after epilouge would mean that Tobias would be 22 and Christina would be 20. They stay single for that long? I find that it would be much happier if Tobias died and married Tris in heaven and did all that stuff... Created a family. But I think it's good that Tobias eventually moved on.. But I think it would've been even better if Tris died while pregnant... Have a baby in heaven!!!! :D Random stuff. Tell me what you think about Christina and Tobias getting together.

      1. TOBINA

      yeah, seriously is there any source we could see that??? I've not seen this anywhere.. if it does exists a source that confirms that PLEAAAASEE let me know!!! I really want to see it!!!

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    • 89.210.3.17 wrote:
      Jojowerid wrote:
      Sooo....

      Veronica Roth has confirmed that Christina and Tobias get together 4 years after the epilouge.... Christina and Tobias, sittin' in a tree! K I S S I N G!

      On a more serious note, 4 years after epilouge would mean that Tobias would be 22 and Christina would be 20. They stay single for that long? I find that it would be much happier if Tobias died and married Tris in heaven and did all that stuff... Created a family. But I think it's good that Tobias eventually moved on.. But I think it would've been even better if Tris died while pregnant... Have a baby in heaven!!!! :D Random stuff. Tell me what you think about Christina and Tobias getting together.

      1. TOBINA
      yeah, seriously is there any source we could see that??? I've not seen this anywhere.. if it does exists a source that confirms that PLEAAAASEE let me know!!! I really want to see it!!!


      Per the WIki Contributor

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    • if only the name wasn't tobina that is a really bad ship name but they do seem nice together after the whole "candor smart mouth comment" if I were Christina I'd be pissed about that.

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    • I'm just so sorry, but I'm CRAZY for fourtris. They are meant to be fourever (get it? :D) Christina and Tobias doesn't FEEL right. It's... just not right. They were not meant to be. WHY DID WILL AND TRIS DIE?!?!?!?! :( :( 

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    • 122.176.221.49 wrote:
      I'm just so sorry, but I'm CRAZY for fourtris. They are meant to be fourever (get it? :D) Christina and Tobias doesn't FEEL right. It's... just not right. They were not meant to be. WHY DID WILL AND TRIS DIE?!?!?!?! :( :( 

      You stole my pun ;_;

      AND I AGREE.

      ChristinaXWill

      TrisXTobias

      NOTHING MOAR

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    • that dose seem better.

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    • I agree

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    • new ship name Chribias

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    • Chribias sounds like the name of a granola or energy bar .-.

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    • an energy bar? why?

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    • It just does o3o

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    • NONONONONONONONONONONO 

      I WILL NOT SHIP TOBINA! NONONONONO It's just.. not right. Fourtris 4EVER!!!

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    • ALso, I just checked the Christina page, and it says nothing about Tobias and Christina getting together. 

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    • why don't you check the Tobias page then?

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    • No, just no.

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    • no, no, no, and no. That can simply just not happen...

      NOOOOOOOOO

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    • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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    • Hi

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    • wow. there are just no words but wow.

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    • 110.175.62.215 wrote: Hi

      Hi!

      Welcome to a fan-girling/boying crisis!

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    • I hope you are ready to get your nerd on

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    • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

      TRIS DIES! :( 

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    • No dip, Sherlock.

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    • No I refuse to believe it! They are both traitors to Tris, just because she died doesn't mean that her best friend and true love get together. That's so wrong. I can't even picture it. I am ashamed of the 2 best characters left that didn't die.

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    • Tobina is just wrong...😁 tobias shouldn't be with anyone other than tris, in my opinion. This is the reason why I can't write books, I wouldn't let any of the characters move on and they would all end up lonely...

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    • No this should be illgle this can't happen in my view Tobias should have committed suiside so he could be with tris and Christina should not go out with Tobias this is messed up

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    • 202.166.6.60 wrote:
      No this should be illgle this can't happen in my view Tobias should have committed suiside so he could be with tris and Christina should not go out with Tobias this is messed up


      Why Tris gotta die whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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    • You guys do realize that none of this stuff that is related to the issue of 'Tobias & Cristina' being a ship isn't canon? :P

      If you're going to post some post like this, at least have the capability of putting where you've gotten the source from. Even then is there's a source, doesn't mean it's neccessary true.

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    • I still am looking for proof that this was what Veronica planned

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    • I think it's good that they both moved on,but I prefer Tobias and Tris way more they're one of my O.T.P

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    • PuppyGirl1244 wrote:
      I still am looking for proof that this was what Veronica planned

      IT ON THE CHRISTINA PAGE!!!! Just scroll down to TRIVIA. It be there. If not, you may punch me in mai belly button (Gently) .

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    • NOStalgic wrote:
      You guys do realize that none of this stuff that is related to the issue of 'Tobias & Cristina' being a ship isn't canon? :P

      If you're going to post some post like this, at least have the capability of putting where you've gotten the source from. Even then is there's a source, doesn't mean it's neccessary true.

      Source: The page about Christina. Scroll down to Trivia, and you'll see that it says that Veronica Roth has confirmed that 4 years after the epilogue, Christina and Tobias (very unfortunately AND shockingly) get together. It was there when I originally posted this thread, it might not be there now. I have not checked for a while now.

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    • Jojowerid wrote:
      NOStalgic wrote:
      You guys do realize that none of this stuff that is related to the issue of 'Tobias & Cristina' being a ship isn't canon? :P

      If you're going to post some post like this, at least have the capability of putting where you've gotten the source from. Even then is there's a source, doesn't mean it's neccessary true.

      Source: The page about Christina. Scroll down to Trivia, and you'll see that it says that Veronica Roth has confirmed that 4 years after the epilogue, Christina and Tobias (very unfortunately AND shockingly) get together. It was there when I originally posted this thread, it might not be there now. I have not checked for a while now.

      OK, so it's not on there any more. D: But if you had seen this when it was on there, I know that you believe me - It honestly WAS there a few months ago! Maybe they took it off because there was too much debate about it. But anyways, Sorry. (Capital S, get it? From The Fault In Our Stars? No? Aww...)

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    • PuppyGirl1244 wrote:
      67.237.42.133 wrote:
      No no no just no. Tobias and christina cannot get together. HE'S IN LOVE WITH TRIS! I think it's terrible tris dies. It shouldn't end like that but Tobias and Christina is whacked up. Y would they get together that's just no I don't think either tris or will would want that. Both of them would want Tobias and Christina to be happy but I just don't think they would get along as a couple. Christina has an attitude and Tobias defiantly doesn't appreciate people like that. No way they could be together they wouldn't get along it would go south quickly!
      Bottom line.


      Christina and Tobias makes.............. *drumroll*

      Absolutely NO sense whatsoever! :D


      Someone write a fanfic fast where they get together then break up then Tobias dies or something or he transports to the real world and marries me although I might be way too young for him.

      I want 30% credits.

      Fanfic: (Warning: There's grossness in this. Making out and stuff. Yes, grossness)

      TOBINA IS NO MOAR! #TOBUPPY

      Chapter 1 - Verbal Fighting can lead to Life Damaging Consequences

      "Ugh!" Shouts Christina. "I can't take this anymoar!" She storms out of the room and I shout "FINE! You can just go away!" This isn't the first time it's happened to us. We've had multiple fights, after which we fall back in love once a few days pass and make up by making out. We're quite incompatible, her being attitudey and me not appreciating ANY sort of attitude - Dauntless has rubbed off on me. But I think today was the last straw. I try multiple times to make contact with her (not physically but verbally) and shout through her door but she never answers. Every so often I stick my ear to the door and hear nothing. Honestly, it was so quiet in there, you could've heard a pin drop. I manage to knock down the door. I am completely shocked about what I find.

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    • You do realize this is wikia right? The same place where people making characters the aren't even canon to the story and put in the actual characters claiming them as a son or something? Wikia isn't a realiable source lol, so anything even Tobias-Cristina isn't even canon. 

      I could easily go on a page and put false information and someone could easily be gulable enough to beleive it.

      Anyways, that's something that you can think of as your own imagination as of what happened post-epilogue. :)

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    • NOStalgic wrote:
      You do realize this is wikia right? The same place where people making characters the aren't even canon to the story and put in the actual characters claiming them as a son or something? Wikia isn't a realiable source lol, so anything even Tobias-Christina* isn't even canon. 

      I could easily go on a page and put false information and someone could easily be gulable enough to beleive it.

      Anyways, that's something that you can think of as your own imagination as of what happened post-epilogue. :)

      Edit. Also, yeah. But I'm quite like that. I believe a lot of what I see on the interwebz. Sorry.

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    • Wtf? Where's the source for this? I don't buy this at all! What bs! (Sorry for the cussing) but I'm just saying that this doesn't seem real. #sorrynotsorry

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    • 172.2.246.178 wrote:
      Wtf? Where's the source for this? I don't buy this at all! What bs! (Sorry for the cussing) but I'm just saying that this doesn't seem real. #sorrynotsorry

      Yes, see the above.... 6 or 7 posts. You obviously just read my beginning post, got cussed and yelled at me. Also, what does bs mean??

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    • Jojowerid wrote:
      172.2.246.178 wrote:
      Wtf? Where's the source for this? I don't buy this at all! What bs! (Sorry for the cussing) but I'm just saying that this doesn't seem real. #sorrynotsorry
      Yes, see the above.... 6 or 7 posts. You obviously just read my beginning post, got cussed and yelled at me. Also, what does bs mean??


      That means bull...yeah

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    • Jojowerid wrote:

      172.2.246.178 wrote:
      Wtf? Where's the source for this? I don't buy this at all! What bs! (Sorry for the cussing) but I'm just saying that this doesn't seem real. #sorrynotsorry

      Yes, see the above.... 6 or 7 posts. You obviously just read my beginning post, got cussed and yelled at me. Also, what does bs mean??

      Sorry, didn't mean to offend ya, but I just read the first couple of posts and scrolled all the way down so yeah...again, I didn't mean to offend you, sorry, I just overreacted a bit.

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    • if they really do end up together I will kill Christina no joke it is like horrible.

      TOBIAS and TRIS 4ever ok

      and give source for when Roth said this please

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    • Am I the only one who thinks Tobias moving on with his life is a good thing?

      Yes, Tobias loved Tris. But she's dead and cremated.

      Frankly, I think Tobias marrying someone else would result in him having a happier life than if he remained a depressed celibate or if he killed himself to be with his beloved. Also, I don't think Tris would have wanted Tobias to spend the next three decades as a depressed loner, especially not for her sake.

      Also, I should mention the spoilers in this post. I put the spoiler warning last because anyone looking on the wiki deserves to have the surprise spoiled.

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    • Timjames98 wrote:
      Am I the only one who thinks Tobias moving on with his life is a good thing?

      Yes, Tobias loved Tris. But she's dead and cremated.

      Frankly, I think Tobias marrying someone else would result in him having a happier life than if he remained a depressed celibate or if he killed himself to be with his beloved. Also, I don't think Tris would have wanted Tobias to spend the next three decades as a depressed loner, especially not for her sake.

      Also, I should mention the spoilers in this post. I put the spoiler warning last because anyone looking on the wiki deserves to have the surprise spoiled.

      1. Why Christina tho

      2. Still asking for proof which we never got

      3. Yeahno, not your decision as to whether they deserve it or not thanks :3

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    • agreed with Emerald Pup.............

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    • Emerald Pup wrote:

      Timjames98 wrote:
      Am I the only one who thinks Tobias moving on with his life is a good thing?

      Yes, Tobias loved Tris. But she's dead and cremated.

      Frankly, I think Tobias marrying someone else would result in him having a happier life than if he remained a depressed celibate or if he killed himself to be with his beloved. Also, I don't think Tris would have wanted Tobias to spend the next three decades as a depressed loner, especially not for her sake.

      Also, I should mention the spoilers in this post. I put the spoiler warning last because anyone looking on the wiki deserves to have the surprise spoiled.

      1. Why Christina tho

      2. Still asking for proof which we never got

      3. Yeahno, not your decision as to whether they deserve it or not thanks :3

      I never said it was for sure, just that there is no reason to be upset by the theoretical possibility.

      I never said that I have the final say, I just said that this is a wiki so spoilers should be expected.

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    • Deserve to have it spoiled .-.

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    • I meant in my own opinion.

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    • fair enough........

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    • 2.25.170.25 wrote:
      they shouldn't get together, I can only imagine him with Tris
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    • No tobina. I mean tobias was tris's boyfriend and christina was her best friend and if I was tris I would feel horrable and betrayed

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    • i dont nessesarily like tobina but i know that tris and will would NOT have wanted them to mourn them their whole lives and never moved on. and i find it farly resonable that they would get together. they both know that the other one still loves the one that had died and accept it. they also know what the other one was going throw so they would be able to help eachother.

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    • they are good as friends but they are not an ideal couple Tris was the only thing they have in common.

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    • EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!! TOBINA IS CRAP! I'm seriously pissed at VR right now.WHO DOES THAT?! How would Tris feel if she saw her best friend and lover kissing and shit? SHE WOULD FEEL BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD! I honestly loved the Divergent series, but NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW?! Let's just say I said "Loved" for a reason. This absolutely cannot happen! FOURTRIS MAN! FOURTRIS IS LOVE, I SAY, FOURTRIS IS LIFE! Tobina is the opposite! We need to protest! Who else will egg VR's house with me?!

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    • Tobias is perfect with Tris, just cause he lost her and Christina lost Will. 

      Doesn't mean that these two will end up together just cause their partners die.  

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    • I prefer fourtris they are just better and have a better ship name rather than tobina.

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    • I. AM. SO. HAPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!


      So popular. :D

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    • Ok, so I totally don't ship Tobina, and I think that Tobias should die later on and then be with Tris. Yay!

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    • Christina told Tobias not to erased his memories of Tris, but if he started a relationship with Christina he would still love Tris in his heart, that's my view. 

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    • If Christina fall in love with Tobias... no, just no. No Tobina, i prefer Fourtris in heaven... with baby... or idk. But there's no Tobina. This characters can't live enought with all this fear. They must die. Maybe only Caleb and Peter must live. Caleb - for his faught and Peter for his new life. But the other... no. They must die. They r not supposted to live anymore. They lived only for Trisfour. if there wasn't Trisfour - there's no book!THINK!

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    • Honestly, it's hard for me to accept Tobias moving on--his heart, IMO, should always entirely remain with Tris.

      BUT IF HE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO(hecknopleaseno)--why was it CHRISTINA? I would have guessed Cara, to be honest.

      BUT FOURTRIS MUST LIVE FOUREVER!

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    • Wow... just look:

      1st:Tris † (best friend)

      Al † (best friend) Will † (boyfriend) Tobias (best friend) Uriah † (close friend) Lynn † (close friend)


      but second:

      Throughout the trilogy, Christina and Four maintain somewhat of a distant relationship. However, at the end of Allegiant's epilogue, Four mentions that Christina had become one of his best friends. Though the two almost constantly bicker, Four finally realized what Tris saw in her, and what kind of person she truly is. Tobias has now begun to trust Christina, because Tris is no longer around for him to trust.  

      Idk wut to think: Tobias' trusting Christina. Ok. But "saw in her and wut kind of peson she truly is" What!? In wut way he said that in the end... idk. Is he IN LOVE with her... Or he's just trusting like a fr!? Idk...

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    • Honestly? I have enough of this "Tlobias shouldn't date other girls because Fourtris will live on forever" posts.

      Tris was the love of Tobias' life, no one can argue that. But just because she died does not mean that Tobias has to be single all his life. If he is lucky he becomes about 80 or even older -yeah, he will never forget Tris all his life, but as much as it hurts - he knew her for less than one year! And deep inside Tobias will always be Dauntless, even nobody has to care about the faction system anymore - but it would not be Dauntless if Tobias kills himself off just to be with Tris in heaven. Nearly all characters in the series lost more than one person they were close to, but all managed to keep on living though it is hard. All of them hould be thankful for the ones who are still there.

      And Christina is not just "another girl" - clearly she and Tobias had the most pain when Tris died, bc they were the only to persons to Tris really trusted until the end. Tris connected them.

      My opinion: I think Tobias and Christina should not date someone anymore, except each other. Because Christina is the only one who really knew how much Tobias suffered and same goes for Tobias.

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    • Look, I think it's natural that a boyfriend of a girl who died gets together with her best friend if she doesn't have a boyfriend because they shared that girl in common and they loved her. I don't think Tris would mind if Tobias and Cristina got together because she would want them to be happy and be able to live without her.

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    • You are being ridiculous. As if Four would ever even hug another girl after Tris died. His heart belonged to Tris. Christina would probably marry Zeke or someone else except for Four

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    • Whatever. And didn't Shauna live? That was her name, right?

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    • Guys... Think for a second.

      Tris' mother 'died' during the escape from the Dauntless, but in Allegiant she is somehow still alive. Her mother is also Divergent. 

      Tris is Divergent.

      Tris will return, at some point, in her own time, calm down guys. Will is dead for sure, but Tris might not be.

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    • 100.4.56.254 wrote:
      Guys... Think for a second.

      Tris' mother 'died' during the escape from the Dauntless, but in Allegiant she is somehow still alive. Her mother is also Divergent. 

      Tris is Divergent.

      Tris will return, at some point, in her own time, calm down guys. Will is dead for sure, but Tris might not be.

      Well, Veronica confirmed Tris being dead, plus minus the Four books that was the end of that trilogy.                        

      Her mother isn't alive in Allegient. Tris sees her in a vision as she dies.

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    • Um, yeah. She came down to bring Tris up with her.

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    • Good job try at being optimistic though lmao.

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    • I feel sorry for both Tobias and Christina ;-; They lost their loved ones ;-;

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    • I know.

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    • Why is everyone upset by the prospect of Tobias not being with Tris?

      Tris is dead. If Tobias doesn't end up with someone else, than he'll end up dying alone and childless. Do you really think Tobias descending into crippling depression is preferable to him moving on with his life?

      Oh, and in case I forgot, Spoiler above.

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    • Thank you.

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    • NOOO! Tobias/four belongs to Tris!

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    • Again, thank you.

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    • No tobias Christina is betraying tris why did tris have to die tobias should have died too

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    • fourtris forever 

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    • 108.18.192.198 wrote:

      I do not ship TOBINA !! no way !! I really did imagine him and tris meeting in heaven and  getting married . Christina should stay a friend . IKR I would NOT ship TOBINA EVER. The epiloge would be so much better if Tobias dies :,{ but Tobias and Tris getting back together in heaven would be true love<3 and AWESOME
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    • No. Christina only became Tobias's bestfriend, she even stated it herself. I think if Christina develop a crush on Tobias, she would never dare to take her bestfriend's (Tris) former boyfriend.

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    • Even though she's dead.

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    • I really don't like Tobias getting together with Christina. I mean sure, they went through alot, but Tobias is Tris'. It doesn't matter how long a person is dead, you can never fully escape greif. 

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    • No, but that doesn't mean you don't move on either. Or not really move on, but to find someone to help you get by.

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    • (Spoiler warning) 

      Get comfy, because this might take awhile.

      I think it's perfectly fine that these two got together. Tris is dead. She's long gone, creamated, and Tobias scattered her ashes. He's got closure, and has accepted that she's not coming back. So has Christina. They've become close friends now, quite possibly each other's shoulder to lean on. They could find comfort in each other, because each knows what the other went through. They can help each other, little by little, get through the rough times after the war. (was it even a war? hmm... whatever back to the point)

      Tris wouldn't want them to die old and alone. She wouldn't want them to be 90-something years old and still greiving over her. She'd want them to be happy, have a family, live, because she never got that. And if that means Tobias and Christina getting together, so be it. (I don't think she'd want Tobias dead, either. I mean, she gave her life to make his better. That would pretty much be throwing her ultimate sacrifice away, wouldn't it?)

      While many don't like them together, I think it was a good choice on Veronica's part. It show how after a great loss, life can and will go on and bring great things.

      (Side note: WHY WOULD YOU WANT TRIS TO DIE WHILE PREGNANT????? THAT'S PRETTY FLIPPIN' MESSED UP, IF YOU ASK ME.)

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    • Thank you. But while I totally I agree with you, I want to say that they wouldn't die old and alone as long as they have each other, whether they stay friends or become more than that. Either way, I like what you said.

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    • What the heck, Tris dying while pregnant? >_>

      That's just...

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    • I know. What the hell?

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    • Christina and Tobias~ Me in my head reading this "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRIS AND TOBIAS HAVE TO BE TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!" (me ten minutes later) "I am calm now what was I thinking about again" *checks history* "Oh yeah NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

      Why Am I so weird....

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    • christina and tobias is not good at all tobias should stay with tris and christina should stay with will and i think tris should have a baby with tobias 
      Kkkkl

      cool right

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    • But they're dead. How can you stay with someone when they're dead?

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    • sorry

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    • Sorry about what?

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    • i did'nt know they died i only read the two book of the serieos

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    • Oh. Then sorry for spoiling you, though you should really finish all the books before you come on this wiki so that you don't get spoiled. But Christina and Tobias didn't die.

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    • hey it's ok and i love your avatar pic 

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    • Thank you. I love it too.

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    • percy is awesome an book 5 and 4 but and book 3 i think he did the right thing too go after dr. throne right or wrong

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    • Have you read the Heroes of Olympus series?

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    • yea the lost hero;son of neptune

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    • Any of the others?

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    • i'm reading the 3rd book 

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    • Seriously? The fifth and final book came out in October, and you're only on the 3rd book? When did you start reading them?

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    • this year i just looked inside this old library in school in found it. it was the frist one i was a very good book and your the frist girl i have seen too love percy jackson's books. i added camp have  blood

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    • half-blood

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    • The wiki? And when did you read the first series?

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    • 3 months ago and yes the wiki it's awesome

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    • I know. Well, I hope you like the other books, too.

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    • kk

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    • hey wat up any one there

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    • Yes.

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    • cool so wat up

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    • Nothing much. You?

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    • nothing

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    • Nooo! Fourtris is The best. But I guess I need to get over it because I don't espected Tobias to be alone his entire life.Maybe is just me but what about Cara in my opinion she is better for Tobias than Christina. But anyway if she don't stay with he at least I hope she stay with Caleb. 😃

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    • 187.202.40.246 wrote: Nooo! Fourtris is The best. But I guess I need to get over it because I don't espected Tobias to be alone his entire life.Maybe is just me but what about Cara in my opinion she is better for Tobias than Christina. But anyway if she don't stay with he at least I hope she stay with Caleb. 😃

      I love Caleb
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    • Hold up. I'm going to hunt Veronica and "talk" to her. Christina & Four? No! Just no. Veronica has the nerve to screw up the book by killing of Beatrice and now she's going to make Christina and Four hook up!? There is no way Christina is hooking up with Four. No. I refuse!

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    • I think we need to flip this around and look at it that way. What if Tris was the one that had an abusive dad, 2 years older, etc. Would she have went to Will? Please answer back.

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    • i think that tris and four are much better in a couple because through the book it shows strengh ability and love tris earned four's love and she deserves it however christina steals her BFF'S boyfriend? what the hell ?!?!?!?! This so wrong Veronica broke our heart already by making tris die now this christina+tobias No way ! do you agree?

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    • 71.49.181.143 wrote: I think we need to flip this around and look at it that way. What if Tris was the one that had an abusive dad, 2 years older, etc. Would she have went to Will? Please answer back.

      That's a good question. Maybe Tris and Will might since they're the only ones they can really feel comfort from each other.

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    • First of all, some people clearly don't know how the hypothetical heaven works.

      Second of all, I doubt a silly notion like heaven exists in that world any more than it does in ours.

      Now... WTF. I don't find moving on and loving again wrong, but her boyfriend and best friend getting together?! That's all kinds of messed up.

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    • I actually Googled this to find where she supposedly "confirmed" it. Here's where it was: https://www.goodreads.com/interviews/show/965.Veronica_Roth

      Question: Chloe *fathoming constellations* observes, "These… are likely as useless as the questions that Hazel asked Peter Van Houten in The Fault in Our Stars, but I think many people in the fandom, excuse me, your fandom, would like to know… what happens to Tobias and Christina after Allegiant ends?" According to Cityofvampires, there are "rumors going around. Did Tobias really fall in love with Christina a couple of years after Tris died?" 

      Answer: "Oh, I could never claim ownership over an entire fandom—fandoms are alive and changing and wonderful, and I'm just lucky to have readers, period. Unfortunately I don't think I can really say what happens after Allegiant ends. I promise authors don't just say this kind of thing to annoy readers—it's just that the story ends where it does for a reason, and the door is left a little bit open because I'm not exactly sure where Tobias goes or how he gets there. I can say, because it might help, that there's a huge reason why I chose the last lines I did ("We can be mended. We mend each other.")—it's because Tobias is recovering, healing with the help of the people who care about him. There's plenty of hope there for him as a person, and for him opening up to someone again. As for rumors, well, I think there's a difference between a rumor and a theory, and it's definitely a reader's prerogative to have theories and criticisms and fanfics all he or she wants."


      She NEVER confirms it. It's just another silly rumor that people made up.

      There you go. I knew this sounded stupid. That would be too rude to Tris' memory. Like damn, okay if you want to move on and fall in love again, but with your dead girlfriend's best friend, whom already had felt guilty about killing her best friend's boyfriend? Nah, that's just too low.

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    • 50.252.152.9 wrote: First of all, some people clearly don't know how the hypothetical heaven works.

      Second of all, I doubt a silly notion like heaven exists in that world any more than it does in ours.

      Now... WTF. I don't find moving on and loving again wrong, but her boyfriend and best friend getting together?! That's all kinds of messed up.

      Heaven is not a silly notion. And is there really a difference in falling in love with your dead girlfriend's best friend and someone whom you didn't meet before she died?

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    • Annabeth and Percy wrote:

      50.252.152.9 wrote: First of all, some people clearly don't know how the hypothetical heaven works.

      Second of all, I doubt a silly notion like heaven exists in that world any more than it does in ours.

      Now... WTF. I don't find moving on and loving again wrong, but her boyfriend and best friend getting together?! That's all kinds of messed up.

      Heaven is not a silly notion. And is there really a difference in falling in love with your dead girlfriend's best friend and someone whom you didn't meet before she died?

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      love it 

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    • I love Christina, she's awesome. I love Tobias, he's awesome. Maybe they were ment to b- NO! I JUST CAN'T ACCEPT THIS! FOURTRIS FOR LIFE! F**K ALL OTHER SHIPS! *can't post picture so instead* asdf person: shoot it down   Christina and Tobias ship blows up. 

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    • 71.49.178.2 wrote:
      I love Christina, she's awesome. I love Tobias, he's awesome. Maybe they were ment to b- NO! I JUST CAN'T ACCEPT THIS! FOURTRIS FOR LIFE! F**K ALL OTHER SHIPS! *can't post picture so instead* asdf person: shoot it down   Christina and Tobias ship blows up. 

      hey don't do that tobis can love anyone he wants. don't be mean. no offence

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    • I love Fourtris and everything and I ship them really hard, but I don't mind if Tobias finds love again, especially in Christina, who was one of my favorite characters. I honestly don't think they look bad together. They both deserve to find love again after losing the people that they loved. And if they find it in each other, well, then I have absolutely no problem with that.

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    • Thank you. Finally someone else other than me said that.

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    • cool

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    • I forgot where this was from, but...


      "'Live life moving forward, not back.'"
      — {{{2}}}


      Personally, I don't see why people are so mad about Tobina. Tobias probably had the most hardship-filled childhood of any Abnegation child of his day, and now his girlfriend is DEAD? How do you expect him to not want to forget it ever happened? And since Christina is now practically his only surviving friend...

      Think about it—would you rather a) spend the rest of your life being miserable over something that can't be changed, or b) move on with your life, hopefully learning to live with what happened in the process?

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    • hey

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    • You make a very good point.

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    • 108.251.74.140 wrote:
      I love Fourtris and everything and I ship them really hard, but I don't mind if Tobias finds love again, especially in Christina, who was one of my favorite characters. I honestly don't think they look bad together. They both deserve to find love again after losing the people that they loved. And if they find it in each other, well, then I have absolutely no problem with that.

      As much as I do love and as hard as I ship FourTris, I think Tobias and Christina deserve to be happy with each other since they both did loose Tris and their love interests

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    • I might could ship Tobina if the book was not filmed. It's just ... weird to think Theo James and Zoe Kravitz start dating (in film, not reality). Once it filmed and you just start read the book, you can't imagine another person except the actor/actress that play the character in the film.

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    • You're right.

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    • True

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    • Jsuperman123 wrote:
      71.49.178.2 wrote:
      I love Christina, she's awesome. I love Tobias, he's awesome. Maybe they were ment to b- NO! I JUST CAN'T ACCEPT THIS! FOURTRIS FOR LIFE! F**K ALL OTHER SHIPS! *can't post picture so instead* asdf person: shoot it down   Christina and Tobias ship blows up. 
      hey don't do that tobis can love anyone he wants. don't be mean. no offence

      Sorry, still not over Tris dying symtoms. DERP 

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    • This makes me angry 

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    • Defenetly no Tobias and tris were ment to be not Cristina and Tobias.this is all wrong if only tris was still alive and will was too then tris and Tobias could have a life together and so could Cristina and will

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    • So. Much. Comment. Flaming!

      It's about time I post this...


      A Fangirl says to her Mother:

      “Mom, today I fought with my online friend.”


      Her Mom says: “Why did you fight with your online friend?”


      “Because I hate Veronica Roth and she doesn't.”


      “My daughter, why do you hate Veronica Roth?”


      “Because she killed Tris Prior.”


      “Tris' death is past. You must let her spirit rest where it lies.”


      Like, seriously, people. -_-

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    • I thought I was the only one who think four and christina doesn't sound good. I mean I love her character and all that but the thought of her with four is just so not nice

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    • I believe it is only a rumor, I saw a few interviews and articled with Ms Roth and nowhere it is mentioned.

      I´m not saying that Tobias should stay alone till his death (although I actually like this thought, seems a bit mean, but if that was his true love? Who knows...he could also become happy without having a family) but imo it would be wrong if Christina is the one.

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    • I hate the idea of Christina and Tobias ending up together. I'd prefer Tobias with someone else but NEVER with Christina.

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    • Fourtris forever! I refuse to ship Tobias and Christina. I refuse!

      But seriously Tobias committing suicide doesn't make much sense. It's like in insurgent, when tris is about to die, she realizes that she needs to live in light of her parents' deaths.

      Also, where do you get your ideas about Tobias and Cara? I don't think that would work.

      Bottom line: Tobias and Christina remain friends but do not develop a romantic relationship.
      
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    • Seriously, though; what's with all this flaming... -_-

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    • You mean of Christina and Tobias? I don't know. They just really don't want them to be together.

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    • Please watch the language, everyone.

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    • im sorry but no it has to be Tris&Tobias forever or four&six

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    • I ship FourTris not TOBINA

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    • I will ask this one last time:

      Why are we all freaking out and berating each other over something so unimportant? It's just fictional romance. Nothing worth cursing over.

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    • idk

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    • oh my gawd no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is horrible tris and tobias were sapost to be together!                                                                       derp i spelt stuff wrong xD

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    • i read an interview with veronica roth and she said she doesnt recall saying that

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    • thanks fir saying that i really need to tweet Veroonica about that

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    • Roth said she cant say what happens after allegiant (www.goodread.com/interviews/shows/965.Veronica_Roth). one of the last questions on the link. 

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    • RuetheFox wrote:
      Roth said she cant say what happens after allegiant (www.goodread.com/interviews/shows/965.Veronica_Roth). one of the last questions on the link. 

      copy and paste the link to get there 

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    • It doesn't work.

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    • Yeah, I can't get it to work, either.

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    • It does. :)

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    • I think Four wouldn't date Christina but yet i maybe wrong

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    • Hey EmeraldPup,

      I totally agree with your first comment. For me though, Tobina doesn't sound right AT ALL. It kinda just doesn't seem fair to Tris.

      If Tris or Tobias had to die, (incoming apologies in advance) I would pick Tobias.

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    • Actually Iam sure the whole Christina&Tobias hooking up is probably just a rumor because we do have to add in the fact that no one knows how closely the third movie will follow the events in the book so there is the fact tris might not even die in the movie the writers could make the third movie way different then the books.so the third movie could make Four&Tris shippers by having Four&Tris end up together. We do have to take stuff like that in to account here.

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    • Tobina really? When did they ever show Romantic affection for one another now Six and Four is really cute😍

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    • I DON'T LIKE TOBIAS AND CHRISTINA!!!!!!!!! Honestly, I wish Tris was still alive... It is not RIGHT to have TOBIAS CHRISTINA TOGETHER... I would think Christina+Peter or Christina+Caleb but Christina+Four is not right... Six and Four FOUREVA

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    • I personally think Christina has no other person right for her than Will and Four,Tris. I also think if Tris and Will's spirits watched Four and Christina together how would they feel Happy? No,most likely the opposite.

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    • DaughterofHades7 wrote:
      I personally think Christina has no other person right for her than Will and Four,Tris. I also think if Tris and Will's spirits watched Four and Christina together how would they feel Happy? No,most likely the opposite.

      You think they'd prefer for Four and Christina to both die alone?

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    • KCCreations wrote: I forgot where this was from, but...


      "'Live life moving forward, not back.'"
      — {{{2}}}


      Personally, I don't see why people are so mad about Tobina. Tobias probably had the most hardship-filled childhood of any Abnegation child of his day, and now his girlfriend is DEAD? How do you expect him to not want to forget it ever happened? And since Christina is now practically his only surviving friend...

      Think about it—would you rather a) spend the rest of your life being miserable over something that can't be changed, or b) move on with your life, hopefully learning to live with what happened in the process?

      Tobina makes me feel like the whole series was one big fat stinky lie. It makes me want to throw up 99 times, run away into a corner, hide and cry. If a person makes you feel the way Tobias felt about Tris, you should never be able to move on from someone. When Tobias dies and Tris sees him in heaven, do you think Tris will be super excited for Christina or will she want to die all over again? And how will Four feel? He showed all his fears to Tris. Now will he do that for Christina? It's just not fair. Instead of trying to forgetting about Tris, I think he should have just honoured her memory by NOT starting to date her best friend. If Four really loved Tris, he would have died alone for her sake. At least, that is what the series makes you think. I am tobina's worst enemy. Tris and Tobias are my OTP and I will not settle for anything different.

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    • 99.252.177.7 wrote:
      EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!! TOBINA IS CRAP! I'm seriously pissed at VR right now.WHO DOES THAT?! How would Tris feel if she saw her best friend and lover kissing and shit? SHE WOULD FEEL BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD! I honestly loved the Divergent series, but NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW?! Let's just say I said "Loved" for a reason. This absolutely cannot happen! FOURTRIS MAN! FOURTRIS IS LOVE, I SAY, FOURTRIS IS LIFE! Tobina is the opposite! We need to protest! Who else will egg VR's house with me?!

      I WILL EGG VR'S HOUSE WITH YOU MY FANDOM FRIEND! You really get me. All those things Four said to Tris? Were they LIES? This broke my heart

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    • NO!!!!!!! tris and four is true love  i hope  people are kinding please be kinding lol

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    •                                                          My Ending:

      After Tris dies, the remaining survivors of Erudite are forced to make a machine that can bring Tris back to life. And then Tobias and Tris live happily ever after. They have kids, get married, and all that romantic kind of stuff. The End!

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    • 74.78.186.193 wrote:
      NO!!!!!!! tris and four is true love  i hope  people are kinding please be kinding lol

      I totally agree!

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    • 173.35.83.143 wrote:
      99.252.177.7 wrote:
      EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!! TOBINA IS CRAP! I'm seriously pissed at VR right now.WHO DOES THAT?! How would Tris feel if she saw her best friend and lover kissing and shit? SHE WOULD FEEL BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD! I honestly loved the Divergent series, but NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW?! Let's just say I said "Loved" for a reason. This absolutely cannot happen! FOURTRIS MAN! FOURTRIS IS LOVE, I SAY, FOURTRIS IS LIFE! Tobina is the opposite! We need to protest! Who else will egg VR's house with me?!
      I WILL EGG VR'S HOUSE WITH YOU MY FANDOM FRIEND! You really get me. All those things Four said to Tris? Were they LIES? This broke my heart

      ME TOOOO!!!

      Tobina is NO NO NO!!!! ABSOULUTELY NOT!!!!!!! FOURTRIS FOUR-EVER!!!

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    • KCCreations wrote:
      I will ask this one last time:

      Why are we all freaking out and berating each other over something so unimportant? It's just fictional romance. Nothing worth cursing over.

      Fictional Romance is my life, BTW

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    • Grayskys wrote:

      KCCreations wrote:
      I will ask this one last time:

      Why are we all freaking out and berating each other over something so unimportant? It's just fictional romance. Nothing worth cursing over.

      Fictional Romance is my life, BTW

      Okay...? Still don't see why we have to harass each other over it.

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    • I'm a social person,  I want to tell people what I think, and see if I can convince them of things.

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    • Grayskys wrote: I'm a social person,  I want to tell people what I think, and see if I can convince them of things.

      And that's completely okay.

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    • Christina and Tobias getting together ;-)

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    • Christina and Four together, big no no. You don't mess with your bf ex no matter dead or alive. You just don't do it.

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    • Ex? They never broke up.

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    • Technically, they're not exs,she and Tobias never broke up. She just is his past girlfriend, not ex. Those terms are different, don't confuse them.

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    • NO!NO!NO! Listen, Mrs. Veronica Roth, Tobias and Tris are meant to be. Not Christina and Tobias. NO, just NO. Tobias was supposed to be with Tris. And I'm pretty sure that's why you spent your time writing Tris and Tobias scenes in Divergent, Insurgent and Allegiant.

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    • "Divergent" franchise ended. No further relations.

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    • Honestly guys, it makes sense Tobias would move on and fall in love with Christina. Stop being so stubborn about the Fourtris ship.

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    • Jesskataa wrote: If Christina fall in love with Tobias... no, just no. No Tobina, i prefer Fourtris in heaven... with baby... or idk. But there's no Tobina. This characters can't live enought with all this fear. They must die. Maybe only Caleb and Peter must live. Caleb - for his faught and Peter for his new life. But the other... no. They must die. They r not supposted to live anymore. They lived only for Trisfour. if there wasn't Trisfour - there's no book!THINK!

      NO NO NO! CALEB DOES NOT DESERVE TO LIVE!

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    • Raitayamaix wrote: Honestly guys, it makes sense Tobias would move on and fall in love with Christina. Stop being so stubborn about the Fourtris ship.

      Thank you. Someone else who agrees with me.

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    • Just because the book went in that direction does not mean the movie will.and I won't not say ex girl since in the book she died before a break up could even happen. Past girlfriend in the book makes more sense then ex. At least movie wise will give us a better ending then the book did.

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    • Honestly I think that it should be tris and Tobias and Christina and Uriah ( will can't be an option cause ....... he dead )

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    • Did Caleb and Susan get together in the end?

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    • I think that everyone is getting mad at is Tobias having his first child with Christina. If Roth made the Divergent Series length longer (years over a few months) it would be more realistic. The only way AMYONE would accept Tobina is if Tris was pregnant, she had the baby before going into the weapons room, she dies, Tobias has a physical piece of her, he goes zip-lining, Tobias and Christina eventually get together and have more kids. If Veronica sucked in her huge ego, then the book would be more realistic. A teenage girl finds out the true meaning of Selflessness in a few months-thats some major BD right there Veronica. By the way I am a Fourtris shipper 4 life

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    • I hope this rant doesn't affect anyone or any fictional characters 😀

      I hated HOW Tris dies in Allegiant. I wasn't expecting an happily ever after since this is a war romance dystopia story. I was hoping that Allegiant would end with Tobias accepting Tris' death and leaving to go to other cities trying to fix it. If the epilogue was good then this book would of had higher ratings, but no she had to mess up that to. The book left everyone feeling empty, like the trilogy wasn't complete, which was the case. I know I am going off topic but I enjoy (maybe a strong word to use) how The Walking Dead kills off its characters unlike Allegiant. They make their characters go down the right way (some of them) and they don't leave us feeling empty, *spoiler alert* Like when Glenn and Abraham died. It was very sad because I wanted him to have a life with Maggie and the baby, but they made us believe that there is still hope with the other episodes and you can keep going. In Allegiant Tobias mourned for TWO AND A HALF YEARS and tried forgetting about what happened by drinking the memory serum until Christina stopped him. When I read the last chapter and the epilogue the time interval felt like a day because of him still mourning very badly about Tris. Now Veronica Roth is going to wreck our hearts again by releasing a new email about Tobias five years after Tris' death in January and Christina and Tobias are probably going to get together. I read this book in July and I am still grieving over it, but in The Walking Dead season opener I was able to get over the deaths in a few episodes later. I think Roth should take a few tips from The Walking Dead of how to kill off important people because she is definitely going to need it when she is releasing her new book Carve The Mark which is again a guy and a girl fighting for freedom like in the Divergent Series (prepare by buying a box of tissue at the end of the series or book if she doesn't step up her game. The ending wasn't the only thing that I didn't like it was the whole book itself. Super badass Tobias who undergo about 16 yrs of torture complains about someone saying he doesn't fit into the popular group like Tris. Then there's Tris who was basically was Superman in the first two books suddenly gets shot by an old man in a wheelchair because she suddenly forgets all her dauntless training and her gun. I feel like at the end of this book the good guys lose even though the city was saved and the bad guys win because Tobias lost both Tris and Uriah due to his actions, Tori, Lynn, Marlene, etc. is dead and David, Marcus, and Peter gets to live there new lives and finally Evelyn got what she wanted, Tris gone and her son to use him and to protect her. Overall I despised this book and is probably going to be an idiot and read her new epilogue about Tobias . This is such a long rant😁😁😁


      I never felt anything for Tris. Never have, never will. She obviously wanted to die throughout the series and breaks her promise with Tobias leaving him broken. I liked her in book 1, sorta 2, kinda 3 (only for the Caleb thing). The thing that disgust me is her wanting to honor her parents death by dying to. From this book Roth is telling us *life lesson here* that if our parents die we should die to making their death meaningless because they sacrificed their lives for us so that we can LIVE and they will be proud of us just because. She also relates Tris to Jesus which is stupid because he died because of the situation that he couldn't change and for us and Tris died because she chose to release the memory serum on the people SHE *selfish* didn't like. I personally think that Tris was being just as evil as David (both wanted to save their own people by getting rid of the others) and somehow her mother is proud (if it was just the Caleb thing then I get it). She takes every moment she has and try to kill herself (sacrificial or not) *selfish once again. No wonder she left Abnegation*. I feel sorry for Tobias and don't get me wrong I'm am a major Fourtris but Tobias needs someone who will not try and constantly kill herself. I'm happy Tris is gone, but mad because she gave Tobias hope and left him *selfish*. Tobias, us fangirls are here for you. You should move on because you're never alone. 🙌👪 I find it scary that the message of this book was obviously sacrifice but also if someone dies it will take years for them to understand why it happened and move on. I know you will never move on if you lose someone but it's hard to believe that Tobias was still at stage one and two (crying all the time and getting mad) for two years. Her theory's : life = depression and not much sense of hope   someone dies to make sure you live = you die also and your parents will be so proud I'm beginning to wonder about this lady😵😵😵😵😵😵 Another long rant to add to this comment section. Reply back if you agree pansycakes😎 P.S I love how Roth kills off 95% of her characters, it really gives us hope *NOT!!!*😤

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    • 216.181.37.134 wrote:
      I think that everyone is getting mad at is Tobias having his first child with Christina. If Roth made the Divergent Series length longer (years over a few months) it would be more realistic. The only way AMYONE would accept Tobina is if Tris was pregnant, she had the baby before going into the weapons room, she dies, Tobias has a physical piece of her, he goes zip-lining, Tobias and Christina eventually get together and have more kids. If Veronica sucked in her huge ego, then the book would be more realistic. A teenage girl finds out the true meaning of Selflessness in a few months-thats some major BD right there Veronica. By the way I am a Fourtris shipper 4 life

      A lot of grammar/spelling mistakes in my recent post, but is still good enough to read BD-BS, AMYONE -ANYONE, etc.

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    • If Tris would be pregnant, at the age of 16, it would be sending a bad message

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    • ^ EXACTLY! Also talk about fangirls who want couples that are barely past twenties to marry!! It never goes like that in real life!

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    • You act like they want them to marry right now. They never state that. When they're older, and there's nothing wrong with that.

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    • Spoiler Alert                       There are many reviews on goodreads that say they end up together. Roth didn't really end the trilogy properly she focused on Tobina instead of the fence or anything beyond it. When I read those reviews I almost broke something and cried. I done with Divergent forever. Mayday, mayday the Fourtris ship sank and now they have a new ship called Tobina. Guess who is going to blow it up👿

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    • Sorry I thought left space for the spoiler Alert. Alot of space I'm sorry for spoiling anyone 😥

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    • Since she's dead, I don't care.

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    • Look just because their boyfriend/girlfriend died doesn't mean they are going to spend all lives single.

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    • Jojowerid wrote:
      Sooo....

      Veronica Roth has confirmed that Christina and Tobias get together 4 years after the epilouge.... Christina and Tobias, sittin' in a tree! K I S S I N G!

      On a more serious note, 4 years after epilouge would mean that Tobias would be 22 and Christina would be 20. They stay single for that long? I find that it would be much happier if Tobias died and married Tris in heaven and did all that stuff... Created a family. But I think it's good that Tobias eventually moved on.. But I think it would've been even better if Tris died while pregnant... Have a baby in heaven!!!! :D Random stuff. Tell me what you think about Christina and Tobias getting together. #TOBINA

      NOPE

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    • They end up together in We Can Be Mended and I thought it was nice. Neither of them should be miserable for the rest of their lives

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    • One thing: If Tris died while she was pregnant, her baby would die to.

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      I think its good that Tobias moved on after a few mourning years.  I don't think they would be together for a long time, but its good for both of them.

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    • yeah they should move on. if im a character and you tell me i have to stuck mourning over this character, i would be pissed.

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    • I know this might sound rude but this is only an opinion so please consider it. I just don't think Tobias should've gotten together with his dead girlfriend's best friend, I mean it makes me sick that Tris died and only two years Tobias is over her and with Tris's BFF, it's good he moved on but to move onto Tris's friend just makes me want to cry, but I don't have any tears left after reading Alligent again... sorry if you don't like what I'm saying but I can't help if you don't care, Hope this helped! (Sorry for the grammatical errors)

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    • Me again ITS SO NOT RIGHT TO HAVE CHRISTINA AND TOBIAS OK!!!! And I know we're all thinking that! I know I am sounding like a five year old but whatever! TRIS AND TOBIAS ARE MENT FOR EACH-OTHER! If I were Veronica I would've had ( advance apologies if you don't agree ) Peter and Christina, ( if she had let her live then Tris and Four) and TBH I think it's crazy to think other wise! 😐 I hope you agree

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    • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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    • i can honestly see them together. Not in a lovers kind of marriage but companionship. Not every relationship has to be about romance. As for the two having no chemistry, that could have been true for before in the series but by then end, they had both changed as different people. If being together can make them both move on in life and be happy, I'm fine with that. Would you guys rather that they both grow old and never move on from someone who is never coming back? That's just a sad way to live and killing themselves won't work either because it goes against their Dauntless ideals and morals. I' perfectly fine with with these two being together. Sure the thought of them together like that while looking lovingly at eachother kind of makes me cringe but I like to think of it more as Christina leaning her head against Tobias's shoulder and just giving eachother comfort. 

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    • Guys guys guys. This just shows how 'true to his word' is Tobias. After Tris's death, he tried to forget her. He said 'You die I die too' but he was choosing to forget her. And out of NOWHERE, not even HELL, he started liking his deceased love's bestfriend.  I mean, if they marry each other, and raise a family (naming their children Tris, Will, etc.), it would've made sense. But like seriously? We can be mended, we mend each other, and moving on doesn't mean grab another girl and start loving her (thank the gods it wasn't Nita.) I just wanna give a small example kinda thing...When Matthew's girlfriend died, he didn't give up on them. He didn't want ultimate revenge or anything but, it all made him realise that what the bureau was doing was all wrong. So he waited for the right time to strike and stop this nonsense. But not ONCE, did he forget about her, her respect. He NEVER even literally looked towards another girl in the love kind of way. I'd say that is love. Matthew has been in the same pain and situation as Tobias, but look how different their actions are. And Christina? First Will, then Uriah, and now Tobias? I mean, I don't understand what's really going on. I think if he truly loved her, he wouldn't start liking anyone else in that way. He didn't take the memory serum, but he might as well as taken it.

      Tbh, I'm happy Tris died. She doesn't need to stay in this twisted world anymore, where people hardly acknowledged what she did. She can be with her parents, and her friends, and that is probably the best she could've got. I honestly thought that Tobias wouldn't do this, although it was hinted quite a lot. I have to say...I'm kinda dissapointed. But sometimes, death is better than life.

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    • I think that they would be friends like Tobias and Zeke, but they would not fit together as a couple.  Tobias would be happy and move on from tris, but not with Christina

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    • Who said he would be depressed he will get over her death and just cause your alone doesn't mean your lonely 

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    • This thread is still going on?

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    • "Chloe *fathoming constellations* observes, "These… are likely as useless as the questions that Hazel asked Peter Van Houten in The Fault in Our Stars, but I think many people in the fandom, excuse me, your fandom, would like to know… what happens to Tobias and Christina after Allegiant ends?" According to Cityofvampires, there are "rumors going around. Did Tobias really fall in love with Christina a couple of years after Tris died?" 


      Oh, I could never claim ownership over an entire fandom—fandoms are alive and changing and wonderful, and I'm just lucky to have readers, period. Unfortunately I don't think I can really say what happens after Allegiant ends. I promise authors don't just say this kind of thing to annoy readers—it's just that the story ends where it does for a reason, and the door is left a little bit open because I'm not exactly sure where Tobias goes or how he gets there. I can say, because it might help, that there's a huge reason why I chose the last lines I did ("We can be mended. We mend each other.")—it's because Tobias is recovering, healing with the help of the people who care about him. There's plenty of hope there for him as a person, and for him opening up to someone again. As for rumors, well, I think there's a difference between a rumor and a theory, and it's definitely a reader's prerogative to have theories and criticisms and fanfics all he or she wants."


      Just to clear stuff up.

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    • 109.255.42.141 wrote:
      "Chloe *fathoming constellations* observes, "These… are likely as useless as the questions that Hazel asked Peter Van Houten in The Fault in Our Stars, but I think many people in the fandom, excuse me, your fandom, would like to know… what happens to Tobias and Christina after Allegiant ends?" According to Cityofvampires, there are "rumors going around. Did Tobias really fall in love with Christina a couple of years after Tris died?" 

      Oh, I could never claim ownership over an entire fandom—fandoms are alive and changing and wonderful, and I'm just lucky to have readers, period. Unfortunately I don't think I can really say what happens after Allegiant ends. I promise authors don't just say this kind of thing to annoy readers—it's just that the story ends where it does for a reason, and the door is left a little bit open because I'm not exactly sure where Tobias goes or how he gets there. I can say, because it might help, that there's a huge reason why I chose the last lines I did ("We can be mended. We mend each other.")—it's because Tobias is recovering, healing with the help of the people who care about him. There's plenty of hope there for him as a person, and for him opening up to someone again. As for rumors, well, I think there's a difference between a rumor and a theory, and it's definitely a reader's prerogative to have theories and criticisms and fanfics all he or she wants."


      Just to clear stuff up.

      That's an interview with Victoria Roth in GoodReads. https://www.goodreads.com/interviews/show/965.Veronica_Roth

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    • Interesting

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    • They never actually got together. That was never confirmed. She just helped him to save himself.

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    • I miss tris! How could she die! I am never reading this ever again!

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    • SHOW US THE PROOF!!! VERONICA ROTH HAS NOT CONFIRMED ANYTHING LIKE THAT!!!!!!! Nowhere in her interviews or anything...... Tobias says in epilogue that "Some hoe she has become ONE of my BEST FRIENDS"

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    • It also says at the end something along the lines of "And we fall in love. We move. We mend."

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    • 68.42.30.36 wrote:
      Where did she confirm that? No no no no I disagree with this completely! I want Tobias and Tris to be in heaven together nOT with Christina

      Yes! #FourandSix is a lot better then #Tobina

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    • They always had a feeling between them that you could feel, but you could only feel it if you pay atention reading in the books. It was ovious when he called her "A smart mounth candor girl". It's not good for Tobias to stay alone for that long, he needs the mental support that his mother can not provide for him.

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    • GamerGirl1800 wrote:
      68.42.30.36 wrote:
      Where did she confirm that? No no no no I disagree with this completely! I want Tobias and Tris to be in heaven together nOT with Christina
      Yes! #FourandSix is a lot better then #Tobina

      The last few quotes in the story heavily implies that they form a relationship and move on. They fondly recall their relationships with Tris and Will, but Christina convinces Four that he needs to move on rather than stay stuck in the past.

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    • Daeseunglim wrote:
      GamerGirl1800 wrote:
      68.42.30.36 wrote:
      Where did she confirm that? No no no no I disagree with this completely! I want Tobias and Tris to be in heaven together nOT with Christina
      Yes! #FourandSix is a lot better then #Tobina
      The last few quotes in the story heavily implies that they form a relationship and move on. They fondly recall their relationships with Tris and Will, but Christina convinces Four that he needs to move on rather than stay stuck in the past.

      Yes, I have read the epilpgue and see that moving on was a big step. I agree slightly with Tobina but I still think FourTris was better:)

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    • GamerGirl1800 wrote:
      Daeseunglim wrote:
      GamerGirl1800 wrote:
      68.42.30.36 wrote:
      Where did she confirm that? No no no no I disagree with this completely! I want Tobias and Tris to be in heaven together nOT with Christina
      Yes! #FourandSix is a lot better then #Tobina
      The last few quotes in the story heavily implies that they form a relationship and move on. They fondly recall their relationships with Tris and Will, but Christina convinces Four that he needs to move on rather than stay stuck in the past.
      Yes, I have read the epilpgue and see that moving on was a big step. I agree slightly with Tobina but I still think FourTris was better:)

      I agree with you GamerGirl, but I do think that the epilogue was a realistic ending. Tobias was destroyed when Tris died, but he was 18, that is something we have to keep in mind. Eventually, as Tobias did, you do move on, remebering that person, but moving. I like what Christina said, that Tris wasn't there to want anything, and it is up to them to move on. That if Tris was in some sort of afterlife, she would not have just sat around wishing for something to happen, she would have acted.

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    • This just goes to show how painfully and obnoxiously oblivious Roth is to her audience. Which is not to say she is beholden to appeal to her readers but that she had so little understanding of just how badly her ending upset her audience. Either the readers were heartbroken or were pissed off. I have seen very few people who were upset in a way that meant they appreciated the ending. Nearly everyone I've seen disliked the ending. For her to then make this followup feature Tobias on the cusp of falling in love with Tris's closest friend and then finally shifting into a relationship with her when last we saw him was Tobias nearly erasing his memories of Tris out of heartache...

      It's just so poorly thought out. Each new entry to this series further cements the impression in my mind that Roth fell in love with Tobias and regretted not making him the main character. And it has truly become the detriment to the series that she favors him so much.

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    • OMG!!!! nooo way tobina is not great! Tris and four meet in heaven please!
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    • I was rereading the books after like 2 years and i'm reading it all and crying and then I learn about Christina and Four. Why!!!!! I literally can't deal with it.

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    • Personally, I think it’s good for them. I have always hated Tris. She felt unrealistic and one-dimensional and I never felt the whole “Fourtris” thing. I was actually shipping Tobias and Christina the whole time. Stop getting your panties in a twist because Tobias decided to move on. And yes, Christina was Tris’ best friend, but I think it made more sense that’s way than Tobias, say, getting with some random girl.

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      • That way. Sorry
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    • even if tris was alive, eventually 4 would have fallen in love with christina and cheated on tris.

      Tris dying saves her from heartbreak, he is doing what she would have wanted which is to move on.

      i ship both four and tris and tris and christina

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    • It wasn't exactly stated that they got together, I think Christina and Tobias would have never worked out because they would both end up dragging eachother down with memories and possibly guilt and also I think it would have been more of a friends with benefits thing as they would help eachother and find affection towards eachother as a solution. They would eventually go different ways but remain close friends. Those are my thoughts

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    • fourtris. always. as long as [they're] together.(sea what eye did there?) i dont ship (argo 2, anyone?) tobina, and you cant make me (i mean, be like jeanine and control people if you want...) ! fourtris was (and still is) beautiful! also christina and four barely knew each other. she was happy with will, he was happy with tris, why not just keep it that way? let them mourn their dead love in amity. 

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    • 82.14.6.217 wrote:
      even if tris was alive, eventually 4 would have fallen in love with christina and cheated on tris.

      Tris dying saves her from heartbreak, he is doing what she would have wanted which is to move on.

      i ship both four and tris and tris and christina

      Are you kidding me with this? You cannot be serious. Tobias and Tris's relationship was rocky, yes I'll admit, but that's what made it TOBIAS and TRIS'S RELATIONSHIP. It wasn't unrealistic, it wasn't a fairytale, it wasn't perfect, but that is exactly why there are so many TobiasxTris shipper's. There is no Four and Christina because that relationship would have been a try-too-hard relationship, with forced smiles and bouquets just for the sake of it. Tris and Tobias had NONE of that. You could see that Tobias loved Tris so much, and vice versa, that they didn't need to pity each other during a terrible time in their lives, that they were past that cliche. They didn't need unnecessary smiles when things were though. Heck, they didn't even need Valentine's Day. 

      Besides honey, you have no right to say: "I ship both four and tris and tris and Christiana" because NO fandom member should ever ship 2 or more relationships (unless it's Draco Malfoy, because it's Draco Malfoy). That just means ur not dedicated to the fandom and is a waste to the other people with actual souls that appreciate a good book/movie when they see one. And I'm not saying here that I'm one of those people, just that there ARE people like that, whom you shouldn't be disrespecting. 

      I'm sorry if I every hurt ur soul in any way possible, I'm just a anti-social person with no much to do, so I read books and create heartbreaking fandoms for myself, so I can't take things that I don't agree with very well. I'm so sorry yet again if I hurt you, this is just me being me and sometimes that dosen't bode very well but anyways...... Yea.........

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    • QUE THE SIRENS BC THIS IS NOT RIGHT AT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL nononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono

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    • k TOBINA is a NO. For one, I can't see Tobias with anyone other than Tris. And two is just seems wrong lmaooo. Sure I think that Tobias should move on but DATE TRIS' BEST FRIEND??  lol no the betrayal

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    • 70.208.75.242 wrote: Me again ITS SO NOT RIGHT TO HAVE CHRISTINA AND TOBIAS OK!!!! And I know we're all thinking that! I know I am sounding like a five year old but whatever! TRIS AND TOBIAS ARE MENT FOR EACH-OTHER! If I were Veronica I would've had ( advance apologies if you don't agree ) Peter and Christina, ( if she had let her live then Tris and Four) and TBH I think it's crazy to think other wise! 😐 I hope you agree

      Yes
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    • i didnt even know this dude.i have read three of the books but not four

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    • Nooooooo he should die be with tris in heaven this story just gets worse

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    • I hate the reaction of Tobias to Tris's death. Like no b*tch you aren't supposed to get over Tris. YOU LOVE HER. How can Christina do that for her friend? I honestly hate that endong, between the thousands of books I've read that's the worst ending.

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    • IT IS THE WORST SOLUTION I HAVE EVER READ HEARD. Especialy from VERONICA ROTH I thought the story would never get worse than what's already happen. But guess what.... SURPRISE, SUSRPRISE!!! IT DOES!! If I were Veronica, I would even send Tobias to heaven to be with Tris. This is soooo not right VERONICA!!!!! 

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    • Volunteer Flamey-o Detecting wrote:
      Guys guys guys. This just shows how 'true to his word' is Tobias. After Tris's death, he tried to forget her. He said 'You die I die too' but he was choosing to forget her. And out of NOWHERE, not even HELL, he started liking his deceased love's bestfriend.  I mean, if they marry each other, and raise a family (naming their children Tris, Will, etc.), it would've made sense. But like seriously? We can be mended, we mend each other, and moving on doesn't mean grab another girl and start loving her (thank the gods it wasn't Nita.) I just wanna give a small example kinda thing...When Matthew's girlfriend died, he didn't give up on them. He didn't want ultimate revenge or anything but, it all made him realise that what the bureau was doing was all wrong. So he waited for the right time to strike and stop this nonsense. But not ONCE, did he forget about her, her respect. He NEVER even literally looked towards another girl in the love kind of way. I'd say that is love. Matthew has been in the same pain and situation as Tobias, but look how different their actions are. And Christina? First Will, then Uriah, and now Tobias? I mean, I don't understand what's really going on. I think if he truly loved her, he wouldn't start liking anyone else in that way. He didn't take the memory serum, but he might as well as taken it.

      Tbh, I'm happy Tris died. She doesn't need to stay in this twisted world anymore, where people hardly acknowledged what she did. She can be with her parents, and her friends, and that is probably the best she could've got. I honestly thought that Tobias wouldn't do this, although it was hinted quite a lot. I have to say...I'm kinda dissapointed. But sometimes, death is better than life.

      Well summed up my friend.

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    • 70.176.61.52 wrote:
      This just goes to show how painfully and obnoxiously oblivious Roth is to her audience. Which is not to say she is beholden to appeal to her readers but that she had so little understanding of just how badly her ending upset her audience. Either the readers were heartbroken or were pissed off. I have seen very few people who were upset in a way that meant they appreciated the ending. Nearly everyone I've seen disliked the ending. For her to then make this followup feature Tobias on the cusp of falling in love with Tris's closest friend and then finally shifting into a relationship with her when last we saw him was Tobias nearly erasing his memories of Tris out of heartache...

      It's just so poorly thought out. Each new entry to this series further cements the impression in my mind that Roth fell in love with Tobias and regretted not making him the main character. And it has truly become the detriment to the series that she favors him so much.

      No, no, and no.

      Roth never wanted Tobias to be the main character. When you read Four: Divergent Series, it says that Tobias Eaton was the main character but after a couple of pages Veonica felt that the Divergent books were better off having a different person being the main character. She did not favour Tobias! I repeat: She did not favour Tobias. 

      Also the ending. In one of her interview she said this,"In the third book, she learns what it actually means to sacrifice herself," Roth continues. "It has to be necessary. It has to be about love. She says all those things. And to me, it felt like it was her finally understanding what her parents were trying to teach her in Abnegation and finally understanding what it means to be an adult and make a grown-up decision because you have to, not because you particularly want to. So, to me, I was proud of her. I was so proud. It was like she finally became a grown-up." And this, "I thought about other options," she said. "But the more I thought about them, the more I felt like they weren't really doing justice to her story. This is a very intense transformation that she undergoes, and to have her just be like, 'OK, well, we saved the day. Let's wander off into the sunset together,' it just didn't feel right. She earned a more powerful ending to her story than that." Even if no one liked the ending-that doesn't mean everyone hated it- it still had to happen because death was just; just necessary. 

      That just about sums up my opinion.

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    • 2407:7000:9D36:9600:2829:1846:AFCD:CE27 wrote:
      70.176.61.52 wrote:
      This just goes to show how painfully and obnoxiously oblivious Roth is to her audience. Which is not to say she is beholden to appeal to her readers but that she had so little understanding of just how badly her ending upset her audience. Either the readers were heartbroken or were pissed off. I have seen very few people who were upset in a way that meant they appreciated the ending. Nearly everyone I've seen disliked the ending. For her to then make this followup feature Tobias on the cusp of falling in love with Tris's closest friend and then finally shifting into a relationship with her when last we saw him was Tobias nearly erasing his memories of Tris out of heartache...

      It's just so poorly thought out. Each new entry to this series further cements the impression in my mind that Roth fell in love with Tobias and regretted not making him the main character. And it has truly become the detriment to the series that she favors him so much.

      No, no, and no.

      Roth never wanted Tobias to be the main character. When you read Four: Divergent Series, it says that Tobias Eaton was the main character but after a couple of pages Veonica felt that the Divergent books were better off having a different person being the main character. She did not favour Tobias! I repeat: She did not favour Tobias. 

      Also the ending. In one of her interview she said this,"In the third book, she learns what it actually means to sacrifice herself," Roth continues. "It has to be necessary. It has to be about love. She says all those things. And to me, it felt like it was her finally understanding what her parents were trying to teach her in Abnegation and finally understanding what it means to be an adult and make a grown-up decision because you have to, not because you particularly want to. So, to me, I was proud of her. I was so proud. It was like she finally became a grown-up." And this, "I thought about other options," she said. "But the more I thought about them, the more I felt like they weren't really doing justice to her story. This is a very intense transformation that she undergoes, and to have her just be like, 'OK, well, we saved the day. Let's wander off into the sunset together,' it just didn't feel right. She earned a more powerful ending to her story than that." Even if no one liked the ending-that doesn't mean everyone hated it- it still had to happen because death was just; just necessary. 

      That just about sums up my opinion.

      Whoops!

      To add to all the things I said, I also fully agree that Tobina was just; just unnecessary (haha see what I just did!). I mean the fact that Roth said that Tobias kissed Christina and basically said they were an item, was super wrong. I feel like they would definitely be friends; they'd support one another since they lost their best friend/girlfriend. They would certainly not be dating or doing it, so to speak. I imagine them being friends, like Tobias was to Zeke and Shauna. 

      Now that just about sums up my opinion. 

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    • I'm demonic and lowkey shipped Peter and Tris, plus Tobias and Eric

      smh I need mental help

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    • I see the logic in it. It's stupid for people to expect Tobias and Christina to never love again. And Tobias and Tris getting married in Heaven?!?! No. Just no. Tris would have wanted Tobias to live his life to the fullest even if she wasn't there with him. And both Christina and Tobias have felt what it is like to lose the person they loved. They would be able to comfort and understand each other. 

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    • Isabell16775 wrote:
      I see the logic in it. It's stupid for people to expect Tobias and Christina to never love again. And Tobias and Tris getting married in Heaven?!?! No. Just no. Tris would have wanted Tobias to live his life to the fullest even if she wasn't there with him. And both Christina and Tobias have felt what it is like to lose the person they loved. They would be able to comfort and understand each other. 

      In We Can Be Mended, Christina even says that she doesnt see Tris as the type to sit around in an afterlife (if there is one) and wish good things on people.

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    • i hate them together tris and four should be together they are so cute together. Christina should not be with four 

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    • okay so can someone please tell me in the movies ( i am sitting here watching Allegiant right now i have watched the others) what the hell happens when i google it it says tris doesn't die and i am so confused personally i think that christina should of died not tris so who dies and who does four end up with 

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    • Tris doesnt die in the movie (thank god) but if u read the book tris dies which upsets me so freaking badly :( plus i dont ship tobias and christina hell nah i like tris and four way better theyre so cute^^

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    • Jojowerid wrote:
      Sooo....

      Veronica Roth has confirmed that Christina and Tobias get together 4 years after the epilouge.... Christina and Tobias, sittin' in a tree! K I S S I N G!

      Can I see a source?

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    • Jojowerid wrote:
      Sooo....

      Veronica Roth has confirmed that Christina and Tobias get together 4 years after the epilouge.... Christina and Tobias, sittin' in a tree! K I S S I N G!

      On a more serious note, 4 years after epilouge would mean that Tobias would be 22 and Christina would be 20. They stay single for that long? I find that it would be much happier if Tobias died and married Tris in heaven and did all that stuff... Created a family. But I think it's good that Tobias eventually moved on.. But I think it would've been even better if Tris died while pregnant... Have a baby in heaven!!!! :D Random stuff. Tell me what you think about Christina and Tobias getting together. #TOBINA


      When I first heard this news I had been very mad but then I read We Can Be Mended I actually fell in love with #Fourstina #Tobina. Don't get me wrong I love #Fourtris but I would rather Tobias move on and find love again instead of being depressed for the rest of his life. I also think it's a good thing he fell for Chris because they share the same pain for Tris. I feel like if he fell for Nita or any other girl I would be livid, Also Tris would want him to move on and live his life. This is just my opinion though so....please don't come at me.

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    • NO THEY AREN’T TOGETHER WHY THE F WOULD SHE DO THAT

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    • In the "epilogue" released "We can be mended" it states that Christina and Tobias do get together, which is around five years after "Allegiant", so even if you don't like it, it happened.

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    • I always wanted peter and tris together I don't like her with tobias😂 And also tris should have died differently because she survived so long just to get shot.

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