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  • Say it is a war without Jeanine or Eric or Max in it, and that the war was over. Seeing that abnegation is pretty much destroyed. What would you say to recover the abnegation faction and get it started off again on a clean sleight as well as the others, I was thinking that they should have added a faction called divergent so that they can run the government so that they're is not any biased topics being said while running it. So what are your thoughts?

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    • huh yea maybe that could work, but it could cause some difficulty because some might see them as the "supreme faction" and this might cause some people to want their faction or even themself to overthrow 

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    • One called Liberty. It's main representatives are faith, respect and loyalty. Colour maybe green? People in Liberty must follow these laws: 1. Always be polite 2. Don't ever ever EVER give up 3. Be really religious 4. Always be loyal to someone and everyone and keep secrets 5. All Liberties must have at least 2 dogs (because they're the most loyal animals). Each and every Liberty dog must be healthy happy and well-cared-for. 6. Be happy to follow new rules and ideas

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    • 101.171.255.241 escreveu:
      Um chamado Liberdade. É representantes principais são a fé, respeito e lealdade. Cor talvez verde? Pessoas em Liberty deve seguir estas leis:1. Seja sempre educado

      2. Nunca, Jamais Desista 3. Seja realmente religiosa 4. Seja sempre leal a alguém e todos e manter segredos 5. Todas as Liberdades deve ter pelo menos 2 cães (porque eles são os animais mais fiéis). Cada um e cada cão da liberdade deve ser saudável feliz e bem cuidada-for-. 6. Seja feliz em seguir novas regras e idéias

      Acho que é uma boa ideia 

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    • A faction divergent would be indeed a supreme faction, because 1. They are not controllable by any means not even among each other, and 2. The faction could not be joined by choice, but by divergence only.

      These two factors are reasons for other factions to fight this one obviously superior faction, no balance could be held upright.

      It is a very serious problem for others to deal with divergence. And that is not only the case in this fantasy sci-fi but a real life issue, that people who do not seem to fit in anywhere become outsiders. But not only that. Due to the fact that they are uncontrollable, people tend to be afraid of them and for that hate them.

      So in my opinion there should be no separation between the factions, but jobs. For example young people could join dauntless in order to learn how to stand up for themselves, protect others and conquer their fears, then they could go on and learn the virtues of the other factions one after another and the test should give them hints for what they should work on, in order to become a whole humanbeing. The life in each faction for a few years should give everyone of them a clear understanding of the pilosophy of each calling. By this method all people would learn to be divergent and the problem of one faction controlling another would not be necessary. Also the witchhunt for divergents should not come into question any longer.

      The problem I guess is that his story seems to imply that people are just born the way they are and not become the way they are due to certain personal life experience. And the ideology behind is that peoples fates is determined by their genes, which is a myth. Because genes, while they give certain outlines are not by any means restricting to certain preset way of life or character. In other words there is no such thing as talent, there is only training and mastery of certain qualities, virtues and abilities. For example the ability of a so called divergent to distinguish between a simulation, hallucination or a dream and reality is a skill that can be learned by anybody who trains it, either on purpose or through certain personal experience that motivated them to do.

      If this story is telling anything then in my opinion it is that a real whole human being is divergent and should not be stuck in one of the preset ideologies and their inherent qualities and virtues, by excluding others. The fact that Four has this tatoo on his back is exactly supporting my point, because while he is not tested as divergent, he indeed is divergent also, or at least knows that this is the way things should be. He wants to be truthful, courageous, intelligent, selfless and kind. And this can be achieved by intermarrying, friendship, exchange and collecting all the personal life experience that is needed individually.

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    • I think that a divergent faction would be a good addition because then the divergent wouldn't have to choose one faction that focuses on one idea. In the divergent faction, they could focus on several things instead of just bravery or just selflessness.

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    • There could not be a faction called 'Divergent' because the whole point of being divergent is that you don't fit into a faction! I'm sorry, but the suggestion is ridiculous. IF there was a faction called Divergent, it would need to cater to those that have an aptitude to Abnegation, Amity and Candor AS WELL as Dauntless, Erudite and Amity (for example purposes) And (SPOILER ALERT) it is revealed in Allegiant that the Genetically Pure (Divergent) are NORMAL and therefore cannot fit to one singular way of life. Sorry for being rude, but that's my opinion tbh.

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    • 147.41.128.34 wrote:
      There could not be a faction called 'Divergent' because the whole point of being divergent is that you don't fit into a faction! I'm sorry, but the suggestion is ridiculous. IF there was a faction called Divergent, it would need to cater to those that have an aptitude to Abnegation, Amity and Candor AS WELL as Dauntless, Erudite and Amity (for example purposes) And (SPOILER ALERT) it is revealed in Allegiant that the Genetically Pure (Divergent) are NORMAL and therefore cannot fit to one singular way of life.

      Sorry for being rude, but that's my opinion tbh.

      Right, but the whole point of creating a "divergent faction" is to make a faction that is unlike all the other ones--in that it's composed of people with multiple ways of thinking, not just one. So it wouldn't press its members into a singular way of life like the others, and yet it would serve a specific role in society that would *benefit* from these multiple strengths and points of view. I don't think it's ridiculous, it just changes the established idea of what "factions" have to be like.

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    • 101.171.255.241 wrote: One called Liberty. It's main representatives are faith, respect and loyalty. Colour maybe green? People in Liberty must follow these laws: 1. Always be polite 2. Don't ever ever EVER give up 3. Be really religious 4. Always be loyal to someone and everyone and keep secrets 5. All Liberties must have at least 2 dogs (because they're the most loyal animals). Each and every Liberty dog must be healthy happy and well-cared-for. 6. Be happy to follow new rules and ideas

      Cats are also really loyal just saying.

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    • I would make a faction of people who are super imaginative and creative. Their colour would be purple, the choosing ceremony substance would be idk paper. They would value people who people bully because they seem like daydreaming idiots but when you put a bunch of people like tht in a faction together, they would probably open up and share their ideas and make improvements to their society.

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    • 173.35.83.143 wrote:
      I would make a faction of people who are super imaginative and creative. Their colour would be purple, the choosing ceremony substance would be idk paper. They would value people who people bully because they seem like daydreaming idiots but when you put a bunch of people like tht in a faction together, they would probably open up and share their ideas and make improvements to their society.

      isn't creativity something from Erudite?

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