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  • So as we know that there are five factions and they are (Abnegation, Amity, Candor, Dauntless and Erudite) and that there is Factionless but they are cut from the society. So I was thinking about asking these questions below:

    1. Which two factions would you think would merge together?
    2. Do you think that the Factionless should start off another factions if this did occur?
    3. Would you think that the world in Divergent will work that way?

    Those questions are great and here are my answers:

    1. Amity and Abnegation (Abnegmity).
    2. I think that the Factionless should start off a faction called Divergent, due to it would be better if they were running the government, but I would also have them split up into the three so one will be the Divergent, one would be the new Abnegation and new Amity.
    3. I would think that the society would run better that way due to there will be no Factionless as you get three chances to choose a faction (one will be when your 16, then one would be when your 18 and then the last time would be 20).

    So yeah, what is your point of view?

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    • you do know what Divergent means, right?  so why name a faction Divergent when the Factionless are made up of Divergent and non-Divergent?

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    • 98.84.104.152 wrote:
      you do know what Divergent means, right?  so why name a faction Divergent when the Factionless are made up of Divergent and non-Divergent?

      I think that's why they said "split into three"--some Factionless would be Amity, some Abnegation, and some (who qualified) would be Divergent and lend their diverse talents to the running of the government.

      I also think the idea of choosing different Factions is a good one for any Divergent. (Frankly, as an older fan I think it'd be wiser to let people switch at 25, 30, or beyond--it's not like we stop learning and changing our minds at age 20. Far from it!) But in the books, it sounds like most people really are one faction or another, so there wouldn't be as much "choice" involved or reason to change factions.

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    • Also, I don't think "Divergent faction" is automatically an oxymoron. It would be under the old faction system, but here a new one is being proposed. "Faction" wouldn't mean "a homogeneous group with one worldview/set of abilities" but rather "a group of people who have something in common (=Divergence) serving a common goal together for society." 

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    • About question 1: I think if Erudite and Candor would become one, it would create some kind of big superfaction: They both care about the truth: Erudite about scientific and Candor about all truth.


      Erudite manifesto:"The withholding of information is punishable by ..."

      Candor manifesto:"we are free to expose our dark secrets"


      And lying is spreading false imformation, something that in Erudite obviously should be forbidden. Erudite is looking for the truth all the time, and in order to tell the truth (like candor), you have to know the truth.


      More Erudite manifesto: "Leaders must not be chosen base on charisma, popularity, or ease of communication, all of which are misleading and have little to do with the efficiency of a political leader." Candor is also against this. they say that "despite his good looks, he is't known for being carming, probibly because he's Candor, and they see charm as deceptive" (insurgent)


      And more Erudite manifesto: "Illogical thought processes must be challlenged when they arise. Wrong answers must be corrected. " You could see wrong answers and Illogical thought processes as flaws: "Lying to spare a person‘s feelings, even when the truth would help them to improve, damages them in the long run." What that means it that if you lie about flaws (like Irrationallity and Mistakes), or say nothing, those flaws will keep existing, and won't be solved. This is mutch like the quote from Erudite manifesto.


      what do you guys thing about it?

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    • Big Brother 99 wrote:
      1. I would think that the society would run better that way due to there will be no Factionless

      I don't think it would. the apiture test works so well because everybody wants to get in the faction. that would be far less if there where no factionless.

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    • Definitely Amity and Abnegation. Both are centered around helping others. I guess Amity is a little less uptight than Abnegation but they're very similar. Amity is based around peace and one of Abnegation's tenets is submitting to authority.

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